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stlukespastor

It looks like the administration of Lake Junaluska and some of our bishops fear being labeled being closed minded, homophobic and inhospitable. Since the conference center is now open to any United Methodist caucas, why not let the "UM Caucas for the Promotion of Adultery," or the "United Methodist Nudist Caucas" have a conference at Lake Junaluska. I am sure "UM's for the Promotion of Pornograhy" would be welcome too. Let's be consistent in our logic and include everyone in the use of our conference grounds as long as they claim to be part of our connection.

beth

Thanks for posting this, Dean. When I first read the 50wordsorless post on this, I hoped it was somehow an error! Ah, wishful thinking...

the_methotaku

Thanks for giveing us Mark Tooley's email address. I sent him a few polite words, useing an anonomus account, having resisted my first impulse, which was to spam his inbox with pictures of half-naked men.

Douglas Asbury

Condemned by his own words:
"We cannot effectively appeal to Christian teaching if we do not model Christian behavior!"
Has he never read the commandment that says, "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor"? (Ex. 19.16, NIV) How sad!

Via Media Methodists

About a year ago, Andrew J. Weaver and Nicole Seibert wrote an important essay concerning the IRD titled "Church & Scaife: Secular Conservative Philanthropies waging unethical campaign to take over United Methodist Church." For those unfamiliar with the IRD, it makes for some interesting reading.

Revwilly

As a conservative I am at times distrubed by some of Marks remarks. This is one of them.

Nancy Smith

The "Ranting Right" - of which Tooley is a prime example - appeals to FEAR and stirs up others into a constant state of fear-based DEFENSE. His is a war-cry: "Be afraid, defend the status quo, send money!"

The appeal set forth in the life and message of Christ is to FAITH (trust) and the challenge is to spread the GOOD NEWS as set forth in Luke 4:18-19.

Tooley can't (or won't) distinguish between "sexual activities" and "spirituality." Sounds like he could take a lesson or two from "Hearts on Fire!"

Wayne

Dean,
Thanks for posting this. It appears that Mr Tooley is more interested in raising funds for his organization through fear, intimidation and manipulation than he is in presenting the truth.

The sad thing is that so many of his target base will believe this propoganda.

Jay

I got this in the mail today, and started to call Mark and threaten harrasment if he didn't immediately take our church off the mailing list.

It's interesting that if this event is such a den of iniquity, then why in the heck is Mark risking his very soul by attending?

John Wilks

"Thanks for giveing us Mark Tooley's email address. I sent him a few polite words, useing an anonomus account, having resisted my first impulse, which was to spam his inbox with pictures of half-naked men."

Good for you. I'm sure that is how Jesus would have responded.

Dean, I sense some anger about this, but I don't know why. You may not like IRD's stance, but they are entilted to it. And they are just as entitled to share their views as RMN is. It isn't the approach I would have taken and I'm no fan of the fund-raising, but the letter seems pretty run of the mill to me.

And don't think for a moment that RMN isn't enjoying milking all this controvesy just as surly as IRD is. This sort of controversy gives both sides something to gnaw on as we continue to circle the bowl on our way down the pipes.

Would the last one out the door please turn off the lights?

Dean Snyder

John W.

I would not approve of sending anyone half-naked pictures. I assume methatuka was joking. He didn't actually do it, you'll notice.

I do think it is important that those of us who feel misrepresnted and wronged by this letter keep our righteous indignation in check.

Sure IRD is allowed its opinions. I disagree with their opinion about whether it is okay for RMN to be at Junaluska. I will debate that willingly, but this is not what I am objecting to here. I am objecting to crass distortion through the use of inflammatory terms and misrepresentation of the nature of the event. I have been signed up to go to the Convo for weeks and have been at other RMN gatherings. We will not celebrate or endorse "exotic sexual activties." We are not a rally; we are a convocation. We are not pro-homosexuality; we are in favor of inclusion and justice for people of differeing sexual orietations. We do not ridicule marriage. We are not a lobby group. We do celebrate and advocate faithfulness. Do I need to keep going? These are misrepresentations and distortions.

By the way, I have known Mark for a number of years and have never found him to be less than respectful and polite in my personal relationship with him. I have actually liked talking with Mark and have gone to him to ask him how he thinks his constituency would react to this or that. But this letter is not true; it panders to people's fears. It has the potential to generate hatred. I would think an intelligent and fair conservative like youself would want to suggest to IRD that this is out of line.

You don't actually believe fundraising justifies this, do you?

Dean

the_methotaku

Yes, my comment about spamming Mark Tooley with dirty pictures was a joke. I did, as I said, send Mr. Tooley an email explaining why I thought he was wrong about the RMN convention, and especially why accusing the RMN of promoting 'exotic sexual activites' was unfair. I sent it anonomusly because the IRD has a track record of trying to ruin its opponents lives.

Mike Barker

uhhh.... the IRD practices fund-raising? what an outrage!

this would be like a UMC church passing around a collection plate every week for undesignated funding of places like Lake Junaluska!

no... wait... UMC churches DO pass around collection plates every Sunday, and send 12% of the collection off to Jim Winkler and Randy Day and Jan Love and bishop Kammerer and to operations like Junaluska.

The UMC: Your tax-exempt collection agency for the Democratic Party and moveon.org

mike barker
lay member, trinity umc
king george VA

Dale Collins

Mark Tooley, Mark Tooley...wasn't he mentioned in the New York Times article concerning the evangelical Christians who denounce torture, whom Tooley essentially called misguided tools? Wow, I am collapsing in awe at his deep compassion.

Brian

Y'all are busted, like the Bible says, better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than expose a fool in his folly.

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